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Post by Baldur on Aug 23, 2016 11:49:42 GMT -5
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Post by Hackl on Aug 23, 2016 13:26:44 GMT -5
Maybe its best i dont turn my computer on for a few gays until they get this resolved. I dont want it to auto update steam. I really do no want to have to reconfigure all my controls. That would absolutely suck. What a crock
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Post by Baldur on Aug 23, 2016 14:55:48 GMT -5
if you read the thread at ATAG, this is now an optional beta; if you go to properties/Betas, and opt out of the win8compatibility beta, steam won't patch you. Unplug your network connection to prevent it updating before you can make the change in the Betas tab, then start your machine, then run steam. Make the change on the Betas tab if needed, shut down steam, then your system. Reconnect your network connection, start your machine, run steam. You should be ok at this point.
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Post by Hackl on Aug 23, 2016 17:31:14 GMT -5
Where exactly is the beta tab before i f@ck all up. I know several people are agonizing thru this to fix this now!!!
Did as you said I have general, updates, local files, language tabs No beta tab. Mine is different?? Bought my game on dvd ,dont know if that makes a difference???
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Post by Hackl on Aug 23, 2016 18:27:33 GMT -5
This is porked. Im not starting my pc til a fix is out. I really do not want to go thru the inconvenience of reinstalling all over again. Im am out for awhile as a result. BoS here I come.
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Post by Hackl on Aug 23, 2016 18:27:35 GMT -5
This is porked. Im not starting my pc til a fix is out. I really do not want to go thru the inconvenience of reinstalling all over again. Im am out for awhile as a result. BoS here I come.
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Post by Baldur on Aug 23, 2016 19:57:48 GMT -5
Hackl, disconnect your network, then start up and run steam. Right-click on CLoD in your games list, and select Properties at the bottom of the list. The Betas tab is on the top of the dialog that pops up.
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Post by Hackl on Aug 23, 2016 20:57:06 GMT -5
It is not there
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Post by Baldur on Aug 23, 2016 22:51:02 GMT -5
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Post by Stachl on Aug 23, 2016 23:39:02 GMT -5
This is porked. Im not starting my pc til a fix is out. I really do not want to go thru the inconvenience of reinstalling all over again. Im am out for awhile as a result. BoS here I come. Don't know if you are aware of this, but they butchered the bird (BOS FW 190). It is so bad now it's almost unusable. This guy 'JimmyBlonde' pretty much sums up the latest 190: __________________________ "Is this the complaints section? I just spent a few hours throwing it around and I'm not happy with it tbh fam. It's become very difficult to manage. **Disclaimer, I don't know anything about FM so this is just my impression of how it flies** The first thing I noticed was that accelerated stall onset behaviour got dialled up to 1,000 for some reason. Easing off the 'g' load to prevent accelerated stall from developing into a spin makes the thing wallow around like ti was held in the air by old knicker elastic. It's awful. You have to nursemaid it back into line and wobble along until it decides whether it wants to fly properly again. Forget about pushing on the elevator to get the nose down for speed or you'll be flying it tail first. It will invert itself and try to kill you if you push forward on the stick. Spin recovery is just so terminally broken I can't even get my head around it. If you push forward on the stick to recover from a spin, the thing flings itself into an inverted spin the very instant you get the slightest bit of control authority back, and then reverse occurs when recovering from an inverted spin, you end up in a normal spin again. You're better off not even touching the elevator at all, just say a quick prayer and hope that the wallowing bastard rights itself before the ground comes up and smashes you. It actually recovers quicker this way but you can't tell that it has recovered because the oscillations continue well past the point where they should because the knicker elastic effect comes into play again while the aircraft continues to falls like a stone. Going on feeling, it's too loose and elastic, you can't correct quick enough. It's like repeatedly overcorrecting a car that is skidding on ice until you just give up trying to get it driving forwards again and start hoping that you'll miss the really big trees on the side of the road. Some of this might be because of prop wash, I've noticed times where I just ended up flying sideways to my intended vector at random for no apparent reason and I suspect that I might have been tossed around by the propwash of an aircraft I was fighting. I like the prop wash effect (if I'm not just imagining it) but, coupled with the strange stall behaviour, it's unpredictable and deadly. Apart from that, it now flies like a mechanical turd. I spent all day defending it but now I realise, much to my chagrin, why so many people who generally enjoy the 190 are so negged about it. Climb is broken, even an La-5 s8 outclimbs it. Roll is loose and sluggish. Turn at higher speeds is broken. In fact maneuvering in general is so broken that you might as well leave the f**king elevator behind to save weight because trying to use it to maneuver the plane is a potentially fatal liability in most cases. I'm unhappy with the current 190 to the extent that, If I was commanding a squadron that was equipped with this [Edited] in WW2 I'd send it back to the factory with and then have the local Gestapo arrest the manager of the FW-190 plant where it came from for attempted murder and treason and I'd have the bastard shot too. It flies in combat like a P-51 does if you forget to drain the fuselage tank first. (Very badly with many embarrassing tendencies to try and fly tail first to the point where phrases like "death trap" seem pertinent). You can still fight with it and you can still get kills but it's just so bloody hard to get reliable maneuvers out of it that only a fanatical 190 lover, a masochist or a stubborn OCD retard like me would persevere with it. It's no wonder most of the 190 drivers have gone back to 1 pass haul ass because you just can't get down and dirty in it anymore. It used to be a good plane that rewarded experience and skill, you could feel when it was in its' 'groove' but when you get up to grove speed it's just mocking wind noise and not even enough groove to power an awkward high-school reunion. "IGN---Worst FM revision ever, 1/10" _________________________________________ Hackl, it's back to the 109 I'm afraid. I'll fly with you if you let me know when. Tomorrow evening (Wednesday) if we can't get update to work?
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Post by Hackl on Aug 24, 2016 0:06:14 GMT -5
This is porked. Im not starting my pc til a fix is out. I really do not want to go thru the inconvenience of reinstalling all over again. Im am out for awhile as a result. BoS here I come. Don't know if you are aware of this, but they butchered the bird (BOS FW 190). It is so bad now it's almost unusable. This guy 'JimmyBlonde' pretty much sums up the latest 190: __________________________ "Is this the complaints section? I just spent a few hours throwing it around and I'm not happy with it tbh fam. It's become very difficult to manage. **Disclaimer, I don't know anything about FM so this is just my impression of how it flies** The first thing I noticed was that accelerated stall onset behaviour got dialled up to 1,000 for some reason. Easing off the 'g' load to prevent accelerated stall from developing into a spin makes the thing wallow around like ti was held in the air by old knicker elastic. It's awful. You have to nursemaid it back into line and wobble along until it decides whether it wants to fly properly again. Forget about pushing on the elevator to get the nose down for speed or you'll be flying it tail first. It will invert itself and try to kill you if you push forward on the stick. Spin recovery is just so terminally broken I can't even get my head around it. If you push forward on the stick to recover from a spin, the thing flings itself into an inverted spin the very instant you get the slightest bit of control authority back, and then reverse occurs when recovering from an inverted spin, you end up in a normal spin again. You're better off not even touching the elevator at all, just say a quick prayer and hope that the wallowing bastard rights itself before the ground comes up and smashes you. It actually recovers quicker this way but you can't tell that it has recovered because the oscillations continue well past the point where they should because the knicker elastic effect comes into play again while the aircraft continues to falls like a stone. Going on feeling, it's too loose and elastic, you can't correct quick enough. It's like repeatedly overcorrecting a car that is skidding on ice until you just give up trying to get it driving forwards again and start hoping that you'll miss the really big trees on the side of the road. Some of this might be because of prop wash, I've noticed times where I just ended up flying sideways to my intended vector at random for no apparent reason and I suspect that I might have been tossed around by the propwash of an aircraft I was fighting. I like the prop wash effect (if I'm not just imagining it) but, coupled with the strange stall behaviour, it's unpredictable and deadly. Apart from that, it now flies like a mechanical turd. I spent all day defending it but now I realise, much to my chagrin, why so many people who generally enjoy the 190 are so negged about it. Climb is broken, even an La-5 s8 outclimbs it. Roll is loose and sluggish. Turn at higher speeds is broken. In fact maneuvering in general is so broken that you might as well leave the f**king elevator behind to save weight because trying to use it to maneuver the plane is a potentially fatal liability in most cases. I'm unhappy with the current 190 to the extent that, If I was commanding a squadron that was equipped with this [Edited] in WW2 I'd send it back to the factory with and then have the local Gestapo arrest the manager of the FW-190 plant where it came from for attempted murder and treason and I'd have the bastard shot too. It flies in combat like a P-51 does if you forget to drain the fuselage tank first. (Very badly with many embarrassing tendencies to try and fly tail first to the point where phrases like "death trap" seem pertinent). You can still fight with it and you can still get kills but it's just so bloody hard to get reliable maneuvers out of it that only a fanatical 190 lover, a masochist or a stubborn OCD retard like me would persevere with it. It's no wonder most of the 190 drivers have gone back to 1 pass haul ass because you just can't get down and dirty in it anymore. It used to be a good plane that rewarded experience and skill, you could feel when it was in its' 'groove' but when you get up to grove speed it's just mocking wind noise and not even enough groove to power an awkward high-school reunion. "IGN---Worst FM revision ever, 1/10" _________________________________________ Hackl, it's back to the 109 I'm afraid. I'll fly with you if you let me know when. Tomorrow evening (Wednesday) if we can't get update to work? How Sad
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Post by Hackl on Aug 24, 2016 0:07:11 GMT -5
Was on Phone with Baldur.He saved they day and it appears that I am Running ok now
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Post by Baldur on Aug 24, 2016 15:20:50 GMT -5
Stachl, this is a familiar pattern with Maddox. Sorry to say, they did this with the German planes in FB/PF back in the day, to suit the Russian players, who despise the fact that any German aircraft might actually be competitive against them. I fully expect to see them doing the same thing with CLoD. They must not be allowed to touch the flight models in it, or we'll have yet another unflyable mess. After all this time without a peep out of 1C, they really should be forced to leave it alone. They abandoned the game and playerbase, and now they've decided to take an interest in it again? No, thanks, no matter what they offer.
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Post by Hackl on Aug 24, 2016 17:05:56 GMT -5
I guess we pile on ts tonight and find out what our state is and if there is.
If you see steam updating stop or pause it immediately. There are some files that you need to save in a safe place so you can retrieve them later before continueing letting update happen. Baldur can best expound on this.
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Post by Hackl on Aug 25, 2016 8:39:53 GMT -5
Very relieved that we all remain intact and fly-able as a unit. Good fly last night guys. Seems the worst of our troubles occurred while attacking the bombers with their sniper gunners aboard. I thought we did rather well against the fighters considering the pressure they were bringing to us. Well done.
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Post by Stachl on Aug 25, 2016 18:07:58 GMT -5
It was fun!
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Post by Stecher on Sept 2, 2016 20:40:10 GMT -5
I'm still getting the Windows question about allowing the program to make changes every time I launch from Steam. Just have to say NO every time.
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Post by Stachl on Sept 5, 2016 21:01:47 GMT -5
Me too!
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Post by Baldur on Sept 6, 2016 15:17:32 GMT -5
Not happening to me. Have you by chance tried killing your anti-virus, and doing an update of the Steam Client? This got me going.
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Post by Stachl on Sept 9, 2016 20:18:48 GMT -5
I have not tried that.
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Post by Stecher on Sept 11, 2016 20:37:44 GMT -5
My issue was that I was launching the game from Steam. A while back I tried just launching the launcher.exe but it didn't work, so I figured, I guess I have to use Steam to launch it. Apparently, you can launch the launcher.exe directly, but you have to have Steam open. That works and I don't get prompted with the message about allowing changes.
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